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\n Many people say, "Sure I believe that Jesus is a great teacher, but I can't believe what they say about him being God." That creates a problem, because his teaching is based on his identity claim. ... He is the One who created the world and then rested on the seventh day. Here is how historian N.T. Wright puts it: "How can you live with the terrifying thought that the hurricane has become human, that fire has become flesh, that life itself became life and walked in our midst? Christianity either means that, or it means nothing. It is either the most devastating disclosure of the deepest reality of the world, or it is a sham, a nonsense, a bit of deceitful playacting. Most of us, unable to cope with saying either of those things, condemn ourselves to live in the shallow world in between."1 He's right. I believe you'll see that in the end, you can't simply like anybody who makes claims like those of Jesus. Either he's a wicked liar or a crazy person and you should have nothing to do with him, or he is who he says he is and your whole life has to revolve around him and you have to throw everything at his feet and say "Command me." Or do you live in that misty "world in between" that Wright says no one can live in with integrity? Do you pray to Jesus when you're in trouble, and otherwise mostly ignore him because you get busy? Either Jesus can't hear you because he's not who he says he is-or if he is who he says he is, he must become the still point of your turning world, the center around which your entire life revolves.

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\n 1 N.T. Wright, For All God's Worth: True Worship and the Calling of the Church (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans 1997), p.1
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\n Excerpt from King's Cross © 2011 by Timothy Keller. Reprinted with permission from the publisher.
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The Rest (Chapter 4) Pages 44-45

By Dr. Timothy Keller

\n Many people say, "Sure I believe that Jesus is a great teacher, but I can't believe what they say about him being God." That creates a problem, because his teaching is based on his identity claim. ... He is the One who created the world and then rested on the seventh day. Here is how historian N.T. Wright puts it: "How can you live with the terrifying thought that the hurricane has become human, that fire has become flesh, that life itself became life and walked in our midst? Christianity either means that, or it means nothing. It is either the most devastating disclosure of the deepest reality of the world, or it is a sham, a nonsense, a bit of deceitful playacting. Most of us, unable to cope with saying either of those things, condemn ourselves to live in the shallow world in between."1 He's right. I believe you'll see that in the end, you can't simply like anybody who makes claims like those of Jesus. Either he's a wicked liar or a crazy person and you should have nothing to do with him, or he is who he says he is and your whole life has to revolve around him and you have to throw everything at his feet and say "Command me." Or do you live in that misty "world in between" that Wright says no one can live in with integrity? Do you pray to Jesus when you're in trouble, and otherwise mostly ignore him because you get busy? Either Jesus can't hear you because he's not who he says he is-or if he is who he says he is, he must become the still point of your turning world, the center around which your entire life revolves.

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\n 1 N.T. Wright, For All God's Worth: True Worship and the Calling of the Church (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans 1997), p.1
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\n Excerpt from King's Cross © 2011 by Timothy Keller. Reprinted with permission from the publisher.
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About Dr. Timothy Keller


Timothy Keller was born and raised in Pennsylvania and educated at Bucknell University, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and Westminster Theological Seminary. He was first a pastor in Hopewell, Virginia. In 1989 he started Redeemer Presbyterian Church in Manhattan with his wife, Kathy and their three sons. Today, Redeemer has more than five thousand regular Sunday attendees and has helped to start nearly two hundred new churches around the world. Also, the author of Generous Justice, Counterfeit Gods, The Prodigal God, and the New York Times bestseller, The Reason for God, he lives in New York City with his family.

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David Bisgrove has lived in New York City since 1988, the year he received his MBA and MPH from Columbia University. After working nine years in Healthcare Administration and Finance, David joined the Redeemer staff as Director of Finance and Operations in 1999. He was ordained in 2004 and now oversees the areas of Prayer, Evangelism, Worship, Stewardship, and Family Ministry. He lives on the Upper West Side with his wife Alice and their two daughters Mary Claire and Charlotte.

About BL Jenkins


BL Jenkins is the President and Founder of The Park Forum, a nonprofit that creates curriculum to help urban professionals read the Bible daily. Prior to founding The Park Forum, BL worked at the New York Stock Exchange, the U.S. Department of State and the U.S. House of Representatives. BL received her JD from Columbia Law School, her MA from The George Washington University, and her BA from Baylor University. She enjoys running in Central Park and makes her home on the Upper West Side.

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Jason Garber never set foot in a church service until September 2008 when he walked into Redeemer and was shocked to find that there were people in 21st century Manhattan that actually worshiped Jesus. Intrigued by this odd phenomena, Jason hung around Redeemer in order to observe this strange counterculture. Due to God's irresistible grace (and the free cookies after the service), Jason fell in love with the beauty of the Gospel and placed his trust in Jesus Christ as his Savior.

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Tuck Bartholomew is the organizing pastor of City Church. Tuck holds a PhD in Sociology. Prior to coming to Philadelphia he served on the pastoral staff of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City.



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